Training Debrief

[BOSS]Fenix · RP Expert

Training Debrief

[BOSS]Asreal · Nuisance

I thought it went alright, apart from the fact we were beating down on bots :p

Though i don't think Squall approves much or the way i start up. You guys seem to mass army immediatly, while i take my time :p it gets me through it but probabyl not to the same standard as you lot want me to be at :p
Any complaints?

LeGR VECT · Member

that was my problem to start with hannah but wot to do is cap all the near points n collect req asap then if (i take it ur chaos) this is the build id take 2 start off

1 cultist

1 heretic

1 cultist

then build ur barracks and then 2 csms and chaos lord then 1 csm squad whilst building ur armory

put all ur csms up squads of 6 to 8 and attach ur CL to a cultist squad as fast as u can

then get 2 squads plasma/flame and one rocket squad

build ur thing to get ur chaos sorcerer

then build machine cult n spam predators/defilers

make sure ur preds r half las cannon n half normal. then begin preparations for tier 3 and build ur army up whilst u wait

this wot i can remember... i havent played in a while n im extremely rusty with jargon but this should give u the BOOM HEADshot effect (annoying but ultimately the most painful thing when the greenskins attack!!!!!!)

now that is a piece of proper spammage

The Underdog · Member

That would proberly wrk on quick start dude, u also failed to mention that u must cap ur points as soon as you take them, thats you minus 300-400 req, (unless ur eldar or orks). Affording all that will be difficult.

Not 2 mention if u want to build an armory and also a CL, then you got to build a generator thats minus another 200, you also didnt mention anything about building a generator at all, it gonna be hard to tier up, build a SC, and a MC and preds without no income of energy.

[BOSS]Squall · Clan Leader

we were beating down on bots because i knew that against human opponents we would get raped. and i was right lol. fenix u need to stop with the guardian rushes lol. unless there OMGWTF! fast then its usually useless lol. @rave- also without an army...if u get rushed ur fked. we got a lot of work to do but if u guys keep at it...its possible

p.s- were gunna do that 2v1 again lol but with no share rec! XD

[BOSS]Fenix · RP Expert

Copy that - Guardians are CRAP after the 1.3 update...of course I didn't know that coz that was the first time I played after installing it!

Guardian rushes used to make mincemeat of Computer players (any level) in 1v1 but I guess those days are over.

I'll just use them to capture points and for last-ditch base defence in future...

@ Asreal - taking your time to build up is fine, as long as you've got some guys to defend against rushes. Don't "turtle" though - you'll build up quicker if you get out there and capture some SPs.

[BOSS]Fenix · RP Expert

And we didn't get "beaten down" by bots - though you disappearing 5 minutes in and me right at the end didn't help...

[BOSS]Asreal · Nuisance

lol collin i use SM's :p sorry lol

And turtle? Pfft :p

[BOSS]Squall · Clan Leader

lol yes we did...we only lived cos i spammed land speeders and dreds...we got lucky lol i mean...u almost died lol if u had went that early in th game id have been ****ed

The Underdog · Member

Fenix, if ur playing WA then quick Falcons r the way 2 go(thats the tactic i use) that or Tech 2 warpies,. As for dow i havent played that in ages so i wouldnt know that much since i never played as eldar in dow.

[BOSS]Fenix · RP Expert

Thanks for the tip, mate.

@ Squall - well, I wouldn't have almost died at the hands of two (three?) bots simultaneously if Asreal hadn't suffered a power cut - no doubt the work of those damned Chaos sorcerers...

Is it a rule of good taste not to spam Dreads and Land Speeders, then? What would Eldar spam units be, Wraithlords (I built 4 or 5 of them to clear out the Orks and Chaos behind our lines)?

@ Asreal - turtle = metaphor, withdraw into your shell and not come out ie just sit in your base passively and build. You'll get rushed, or out-teched by a player who has captured more SPs and so has more Req.

[BOSS]Squall · Clan Leader

lol i disagree turtling is GAY expecially if turrets r used as well...but it can be extremely effective. i think it was aganst coramoor (cant remember) that i played a 1v1...his rush failed so i turtled...it ended up us both leaving as my defence was to strong for ANYTHING he tried...and he had SPAMMED turrets covering the entire map so i was pinned down...it was fun lol...i also raped rave using a turtle

[BOSS]Asreal · Nuisance

[BOSS]Squall wrote:

i also raped rave using a turtle

THAT WAS NOT FUNNY! You slautered MY WHOLE ARMY in two seconds! and it was full pops and everything, i oculdn't have made more ANYTHING and he desimated it XD

[BOSS]Squall · Clan Leader

lol it was hilarious from my point of view XD

[BOSS]Asreal · Nuisance

Oh yeah i can imagine :p

[BOSS]Fenix · RP Expert

You should have spammed Terminators and Land Raiders and finished him off with an Orbital Strike from the Force Commander to show him what the DOW community thinks of turtling LOL

That said, turtling might be okay if both players have agreed to a limited "ceasefire" time at the start to build up their forces to make the battles more interesting.

LeGR VECT · Member

or even used the classic assault marines drop in with a few dreads and an orb bomb

on how to lvl an enemy base with no defense inside

assault marines to jump in2 base and fc in orb relay to wipe out base with orb bomb

boom yega

-- Edited by LeGR VECT at 23:09, 2006-01-10

[BOSS]Squall · Clan Leader

lol imagin this...im vs eldar ( so they can build anywhere with those damn webays ) and we were on biffys peril. we have all points to max and full armys...anti infantry and tank. i cant move or orb cos his missile turrets will be gay... cant put him in a squad due to enemys army...theyed kill him. the ENTIRE LEVEL is COVERED in turrets from the eldar...and he cant get in due to my terms/LR/missile combos...lol it was a game to remember

The Underdog · Member

Imagin this 80 rockets lying into 1 enemy, that was funny.

[BOSS]Fenix · RP Expert

I've seen quite a funny incident where a Chaos Lord is trying to charge a bunch of missile turrets and missile-tooled-up Tac squads and getting blown into the air repeatedly. :)

The Underdog · Member

I remember a game me and Niceguy had, we had the enemy pinned down on saints square and he tried to send a Grechin to build a thermo plasma gen but when ever he stepped out of his base rockets lauched them rite back in.

[BOSS]Fenix · RP Expert

Just a reminder for Squall - we still haven't played that 1 v 1 on Valley of Khorne (where you creamed Asreal and will likely do the same to me) so perhaps this Sunday?

It's one of my favourite maps but somehow I don't think that'll help me much...

[BOSS]Asreal · Nuisance

He will eat you alive :p did you notice you have 300 posts?
:p

LeGR VECT · Member

omg im gonna get owned at that 2

The Underdog · Member

Yeh Colin u would get owned, ur 2 slow

[BOSS]Fenix · RP Expert

@ Asreal - what exactly happened when you played Squall on that map?

It's funny really - I beat Squall on WA when he was Eldar and I was Space Marines (so I could learn the Eldar's weaknesses as well as their strengths) but of course this time its going to be the other way round...

The Underdog · Member

Eldar weakness's, close combat is the main 1. apart from the avatar. Also armor.

[BOSS]Fenix · RP Expert

Which is b******* in 40K terms really as most Eldar have WS4 and a high initiative (are WA Eldar better than Guard in close combat? I'll have to check)...their armour isn't that bad either (4+/3+ apart from Guardians, but my army is quite Aspect-oriented)

But yeah, in DOW/WA terms you're right. Oh, and not just the Avatar, you're forgetting Banshees too.

[BOSS]Asreal · Nuisance

Fenix, he KICKED MY ASS :p i think i said that :p he took turtelling to a new extreame

[BOSS]Fenix · RP Expert

How do you mean?